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Old 08-05-2008, 03:22 AM   #1
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I would choose normal drums because some of the lower end electronic drums sound terrible.
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Old 08-05-2008, 05:50 AM   #3
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I would chose the acoustic kit simply for the playing pleasure. I don't care what anyone says, you just can't match up options or tonality and still maintain what it feels to play drums. Little subtles in your dynamics, your maximum and minimum volume, your optins are what make drums the most fun at all. You can do anything, all that matters is time.

I had a friend who played an absurdly expensive digital kit with all kinds of bells and whistles and he would record himself into Reason and then use drum samples and all that other digital nonsense to record what was suposed to sound like an acoustic kit. He loved it, and I couldn't stand it. He would always ask me: "It sounds exactly the same doing that?" and to which I would respond "Yeah, but don't you ever miss just drumming? I could have recorded that exact groove in one take, it would have sounded exactly the same, and it would have been a blast."

If your options don't allow for an acoustic kit, mine surely don't, go with it. If you want to drum, by all means, drum. Percussion is an amazing world that I'm not begining to further explore. But don't ever expect a good session on an acoustic kit if you get a digital kid. Regardless of feature, reputation, or price tag.

Little bit more than two cents, but there ya' go.
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If there wasn't the "noise" factor (bothers the neighbours), I'd go for accoustic. But since the noise is there, that'd be electric. On the other hand, I always heard that electronics are easier to record and "mic" correctly, I don't know to which level this can be true.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:35 AM   #5
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If there wasn't the "noise" factor (bothers the neighbours), I'd go for accoustic. But since the noise is there, that'd be electric. On the other hand, I always heard that electronics are easier to record and "mic" correctly, I don't know to which level this can be true.
There's obviously an ease factor, just plug the sound module directly into your soundcard or using a USB interface like an M-audio or a Firebox and then just recording. Recording drum sets is a work of years, it really is. All the producers and engineers I've gotten to work with and around have spent their whole careers to date making slight adjustments each time though. Electric kits can be plugged right in and further enhanced similar to my post above.

However, there's no "easier" way to get the sound of a proper acoustic kit recorded correctly.
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Yeah, I plan on getting an electric one (Noise). But I would love acoustic!
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I say gun for both. The thing about regular drum is it's something that you feel. Literally. When you make sound you can feel it travel through your body and it's a experience you can only get with a regular kit. Now as for electric kits I say they are perfect for keeping within practice. If you wanted to dedicate so much of your time to practicing this would be the perfect way to go. That way when performing you would be surprised (good or bad) with the results.
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Practicing on an electric kit and then attempting to play an acoustic kit would end in disaster.
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Practicing on an electric kit and then attempting to play an acoustic kit would end in disaster.
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It's just a feel and sound thing more than anything else. Drums just have their own little way of sounding however they want to sound. With digital drumkits your using samples of sounds and you have (X) number of dynamic ranges available for each sample depending on the model kit. If you learn to play and do all your practicing on a digital kit and then try to hop on a house kit, your bound to be disappointed. Your going to find it harder to achieve the sound you want because the drums will be responding differently than your used to both dynamically and tonally. Your digital crash cymbal may have had 3 different tones per kit, but the crash on your kit keeps sounding different with each hit, what's going on?

You'd be able to pull it off, your muscle memory wouldn't disappear. You would still know how to play drums, but you would overall end up being disappointed after not seeming "on-top of it" as you did when you practiced at the digital kit.

EDIT: I worded my above post incorrectly. I didn't mean you couldn't learn on a digital kit and then move onto acoustic or that you couldn't play both. What I meant was it was foolish to rely on a digital kit to practice and an acoustic kit to perform.
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Well thats what I had meant. You can never take any electrical instrument and get the acoustic feeling of that particular instrument. However I still think you can nail some really good practice to performance with your timing. I know that there is no difference between timing on either set up. Drumming is all about keeping a beat on time and in sync. Now I don't think the transformation would be anything like going from upright bass to electrical but, there can be some advantages to be learned from a kit practice. You may not even have to tonal ranges due to pressure of the pads, but then again it all depends how deep your pockets are on a really good kit.
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I love acoustic a whole lot more than electric. Electric drum kits get on my nerves. I also find them rather ugly but thats besides the point.
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depends on your needs, space and music. using both, I feel more natural and can pull more off on an acoustic kit. I'll NEVER trade in acoustic for an e-drum. However, I do own an ekit, roland, and i use it for ideas, etc. For me, I have it hooked up to my mac to record, so it's easier to adjust and tweak things rather than doing it with an acoustic kit. E-kits are great depending on your needs, but you'll never get that "feel" like when you're on a real kit!
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