Kid 17 Mix

MusicMan · 12-21-2005, 02:44 AM

I'm sure some of you have heard of the Radiohead Kid A album, and how if you play two copies 17 seconds apart they sync up and compliment each other. Thom Yorke (lead singer of Radiohead) announced that it was intentional, and a few people have created accurate mixes that line up perfectly. I am in the process of creating my own mix because some of the ones out there are close but not exactly 17 seconds. And if it's not exact, you lose a lot of the syncopation. So if anyone else would like to hear this let me know and I'll either PM you or if enough people want it I may just post it for everyone to see.

Update:

Here are individual tracks of the mixes I've created. The original is on one channel and the delayed version is on the opposite channel (left and right). So you can pan your balance to adjust the mix even more on your own. I'll add the new mixes to this post as they roll in hot off of the audio editing software.

EDIT (8-28-07): Wow, 25,000+ uniques and a million hits in the past 24 hours, mainly because of a link to this thread from a popular link site. The links were lost a while back but I'm now uploading these again as attachments, which only members will be able to stream or download. So if you're a guest and you really want to hear them, register real quick and we would love you to stick around and comment on them or contribute to the many great discussions we have here at KMA. If someone wants to host them offsite for others to listen to that don't feel like joining here (it's free, but some people are lazy

), send me a PM and I may or may not give you permission to. Thank you for your interest in my remixes, check the links in my sig for others I've done as well as some original songs.

I've got two up now, I'll add the other two by tomorrow.

Left Face Down · 12-21-2005, 03:03 AM

In all honesty, I don't even care that much for Radiohead but I would love to hear that. Not saying I hate them or anything, they're actually a great band, they're just not my type of music.

La Petite · 03-01-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicMan

I'm sure some of you have heard of the Radiohead Kid A album, and how if you play two copies 17 seconds apart they sync up and compliment each other. Thom Yorke (lead singer of Radiohead) announced that it was intentional, and a few people have created accurate mixes that line up perfectly. I am in the process of creating my own mix because some of the ones out there are close but not exactly 17 seconds. And if it's not exact, you lose a lot of the syncopation. So if anyone else would like to hear this let me know and I'll either PM you or if enough people want it I may just post it for everyone to see.

I want it, please!

lapetitefee@gmail.com

hermitbadger · 03-01-2006, 09:25 PM

Musicman i would so love that mix what genius's they are! and thanks

mammoth1 · 03-01-2006, 09:30 PM

Holy Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mammoth1 · 03-01-2006, 09:32 PM

um, what I mean is, hell yeah I'm interested. jesus. could this be real?

hermitbadger · 03-01-2006, 09:35 PM

i'm so excited, i think i'm going to pee my pants!
kid a 17 seconds apart..........oh i'm giddy................must .....sit..dow..........

MusicMan · 03-01-2006, 09:49 PM

I ended up trashing my full-album mix because if you don't mix it one track at a time, it starts to lose sync because of the time in between songs. It's kinda hard to explain but here's what I'll do. I'll create a mix of a song or two and then let you guys know when I've got a decent mix. I'll PM you

roondiggy · 03-01-2006, 11:14 PM

I would really dig hearing that. Sounds a little pink floydish (wizard of oz).

Foxius · 03-01-2006, 11:36 PM

Holy shit!
I've just done this on the first two tracks - it sends shivers down my spine.

How the hell is it possible!?

RADIOHEAD, I SALUTE YOU!
The greatest.

MusicMan · 03-02-2006, 12:15 AM

Haha, glad you all are getting the chance to check this out! I'm uploading the first track "Everything in its Right Place" right now and I'll continue mixing down the other tracks as I get the time. So stay tuned to this thread for the tracks.

MusicMan · 03-02-2006, 12:42 AM

Ok here is Track 1 of the mix I created.
http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack1KidAmix.mp3

This is a limited-time offer, get it while you can.

Let me know what you guys think, I should have Track 2 "Kid A" posted in a little bit so check back in a couple hours.

MusicMan · 03-02-2006, 01:32 AM

Ok here's track two of my mix. "Kid A"

Enjoy

http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack2KidAmix.mp3

MusicMan · 03-02-2006, 02:15 AM

Eureka! I've just discovered why the whole album wouldn't sync up right! Track 3 has been very difficult, so after toying around for an hour I've discovered that it syncs up PERFECTLY (even every single drumbeat, it's amazing!) if and only if it's timed 21 seconds apart, not 17 seconds like the others! OMG I can't wait to share this one with ya.

Just finished and uploaded Track #3 "The National Anthem"

http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack3KidAmix.mp3

MusicMan · 03-02-2006, 06:00 AM

Just added track #6 "Optimistic". This one was extremely tricky. I got to the heart of the mathematics of the recurring phrases and motifs and found that they were in sections of 6.075 seconds. So after experimenting for a while I found the best arrangement was to sync them 12.15 seconds apart.

http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack6KidAmix.mp3

I'm starting to see that the 17 seconds isn't a rule of thumb and not many people, if any, have really investigated this enough to produce good results. This is kinda fun knowing that nobody else has published detailed results and spent enough time to find the right pieces to the puzzle, not just shave some corners off and make random pieces fit. Hopefully I'll have the best mixes out there in internetlandvilletowncity.

laurelyn · 03-02-2006, 07:56 AM

I'm dying here.......

Binky · 03-02-2006, 08:42 PM

OMG! I remember talking to you about this on flashchat!
That would be awesome to get!
You totally rock dude!

TheMusixInMe · 03-06-2006, 09:58 AM

Bravo MusicMan! Most excellent. Thank you so much for sharing this with us! Everything... brings chills to me twice over now!

hermitbadger · 03-07-2006, 05:57 PM

forgot to say thanks for your effort it was much appreciated....the first one i thought that if you'd have synced 1.5 to 2 seconds earlier there could have been a whole new track to listen too..... i might be wrong...

MusicMan · 03-07-2006, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hermitbadger

forgot to say thanks for your effort it was much appreciated....the first one i thought that if you'd have synced 1.5 to 2 seconds earlier there could have been a whole new track to listen too..... i might be wrong...

I might try that sometime. I need to work on this some more, I might have some more additions later today.

mr. softy · 08-28-2007, 06:59 PM

Man, I'd love to hear those.

tymothi · 08-28-2007, 07:44 PM

i can't seem to get them to work, they open in a new window but nothing happens. am i doing something wrong?

snuka · 08-28-2007, 07:45 PM

Is there a mirror, I can't download any of the mixes from the links provided.

djmrunfast · 08-28-2007, 09:15 PM

Dude, I am practically peeingin my pants trying to get this to work, but for some reason my computer is not playing the MP3 when I click on it - it just opens up to a new browser window - any advice? DJM

Pensativa · 08-28-2007, 09:48 PM

You may be having trouble opening these music files, because the thread is now about 5 months old, and so they may not be hosted online anymore.

03-01-2006, 09:49 PM	#8
MusicMan "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Inside your head Posts: 7,314 Thanks: 562 Thanked 460 Times in 401 Posts Rep Power: 500	I ended up trashing my full-album mix because if you don't mix it one track at a time, it starts to lose sync because of the time in between songs. It's kinda hard to explain but here's what I'll do. I'll create a mix of a song or two and then let you guys know when I've got a decent mix. I'll PM you __________________ Rules! A definite must-read How to upload music to the Music Showcase. How to embed a YouTube video. Send me a PM if you need any help with anything.

03-02-2006, 12:15 AM	#11
MusicMan "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Inside your head Posts: 7,314 Thanks: 562 Thanked 460 Times in 401 Posts Rep Power: 500	Haha, glad you all are getting the chance to check this out! I'm uploading the first track "Everything in its Right Place" right now and I'll continue mixing down the other tracks as I get the time. So stay tuned to this thread for the tracks. __________________ Rules! A definite must-read How to upload music to the Music Showcase. How to embed a YouTube video. Send me a PM if you need any help with anything.

03-02-2006, 12:42 AM	#12
MusicMan "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Inside your head Posts: 7,314 Thanks: 562 Thanked 460 Times in 401 Posts Rep Power: 500	Ok here is Track 1 of the mix I created. http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack1KidAmix.mp3 This is a limited-time offer, get it while you can. Let me know what you guys think, I should have Track 2 "Kid A" posted in a little bit so check back in a couple hours. __________________ Rules! A definite must-read How to upload music to the Music Showcase. How to embed a YouTube video. Send me a PM if you need any help with anything.

03-02-2006, 01:32 AM	#13
MusicMan "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Inside your head Posts: 7,314 Thanks: 562 Thanked 460 Times in 401 Posts Rep Power: 500	Ok here's track two of my mix. "Kid A" Enjoy http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack2KidAmix.mp3 __________________ Rules! A definite must-read How to upload music to the Music Showcase. How to embed a YouTube video. Send me a PM if you need any help with anything.

03-02-2006, 02:15 AM	#14
MusicMan "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Inside your head Posts: 7,314 Thanks: 562 Thanked 460 Times in 401 Posts Rep Power: 500	Eureka! I've just discovered why the whole album wouldn't sync up right! Track 3 has been very difficult, so after toying around for an hour I've discovered that it syncs up PERFECTLY (even every single drumbeat, it's amazing!) if and only if it's timed 21 seconds apart, not 17 seconds like the others! OMG I can't wait to share this one with ya. Just finished and uploaded Track #3 "The National Anthem" http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack3KidAmix.mp3 __________________ Rules! A definite must-read How to upload music to the Music Showcase. How to embed a YouTube video. Send me a PM if you need any help with anything.

12-21-2005, 03:03 AM	#2
Left Face Down Ibanez Loving Freak Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Deer Park, Texas Posts: 236 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 53	In all honesty, I don't even care that much for Radiohead but I would love to hear that. Not saying I hate them or anything, they're actually a great band, they're just not my type of music.

03-01-2006, 09:25 PM	#4
hermitbadger Foxes might, Badgers Wood....... Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: uk Posts: 1,322 Thanks: 27 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Rep Power: 73	Musicman i would so love that mix what genius's they are! and thanks

03-01-2006, 09:30 PM	#5
mammoth1 and all things fall Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 6 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Rep Power: 74	Holy Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-01-2006, 09:32 PM	#6
mammoth1 and all things fall Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 6 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Rep Power: 74	um, what I mean is, hell yeah I'm interested. jesus. could this be real?

03-01-2006, 09:35 PM	#7
hermitbadger Foxes might, Badgers Wood....... Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: uk Posts: 1,322 Thanks: 27 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Rep Power: 73	i'm so excited, i think i'm going to pee my pants! kid a 17 seconds apart..........oh i'm giddy................must .....sit..dow..........

03-01-2006, 11:14 PM	#9
roondiggy Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 49	I would really dig hearing that. Sounds a little pink floydish (wizard of oz).

03-01-2006, 11:36 PM	#10
Foxius God (or equivalent) Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pembrokeshire Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 49	Holy shit! I've just done this on the first two tracks - it sends shivers down my spine. How the hell is it possible!? RADIOHEAD, I SALUTE YOU! The greatest.

03-02-2006, 06:00 AM	#15
MusicMan "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Inside your head Posts: 7,314 Thanks: 562 Thanked 460 Times in 401 Posts Rep Power: 500	Just added track #6 "Optimistic". This one was extremely tricky. I got to the heart of the mathematics of the recurring phrases and motifs and found that they were in sections of 6.075 seconds. So after experimenting for a while I found the best arrangement was to sync them 12.15 seconds apart. http://www.keepmusicalive.com/MusicManTrack6KidAmix.mp3 I'm starting to see that the 17 seconds isn't a rule of thumb and not many people, if any, have really investigated this enough to produce good results. This is kinda fun knowing that nobody else has published detailed results and spent enough time to find the right pieces to the puzzle, not just shave some corners off and make random pieces fit. Hopefully I'll have the best mixes out there in internetlandvilletowncity. __________________ Rules! A definite must-read How to upload music to the Music Showcase. How to embed a YouTube video. Send me a PM if you need any help with anything.

03-02-2006, 07:56 AM	#16
laurelyn from istanbul Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: türkiye Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 49	I'm dying here.......

03-02-2006, 08:42 PM	#17
Binky Zephyr replaced my blood with pizza sauce. Yummy,yummy pizza sauce. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vancouver,WA Posts: 823 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 58	OMG! I remember talking to you about this on flashchat! That would be awesome to get! You totally rock dude!

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03-06-2006, 09:58 AM	#18
TheMusixInMe I am I. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 320 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 52	Bravo MusicMan! Most excellent. Thank you so much for sharing this with us! Everything... brings chills to me twice over now! __________________ Good news men! These aliens speak American!

03-07-2006, 05:57 PM	#19
hermitbadger Foxes might, Badgers Wood....... Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: uk Posts: 1,322 Thanks: 27 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Rep Power: 73	forgot to say thanks for your effort it was much appreciated....the first one i thought that if you'd have synced 1.5 to 2 seconds earlier there could have been a whole new track to listen too..... i might be wrong...

08-28-2007, 06:59 PM	#21
mr. softy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 30	Man, I'd love to hear those.

08-28-2007, 07:44 PM	#22
tymothi Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 30	i can't seem to get them to work, they open in a new window but nothing happens. am i doing something wrong?

08-28-2007, 07:45 PM	#23
snuka Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 30	Is there a mirror, I can't download any of the mixes from the links provided.

08-28-2007, 09:15 PM	#24
djmrunfast Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 30	Dude, I am practically peeingin my pants trying to get this to work, but for some reason my computer is not playing the MP3 when I click on it - it just opens up to a new browser window - any advice? DJM

08-28-2007, 09:48 PM	#25
Pensativa Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 30	You may be having trouble opening these music files, because the thread is now about 5 months old, and so they may not be hosted online anymore.

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