Aqualung

Everywhere I go people are always bashing emo, and I seriously never understood it. It's seriously like a fad. Emo has taken the place of the French in the mind of Americans. I can understand being a little questionable about the actual emo kids, but the music... What's wrong with it? It's not like the guitar players can't play chords, or whatever. It's not really band, per se. So what is it that causes people to hate it to such a degree? Is it truly just a fad?

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Circle_One

My personal opinion on Emo is that it's just so generic. All the music sounds the same to me and all the singers have the same whiny-ass voices. It drives me nuts. But that's just me.

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Aqualung

So if all the music sounds the same, does that make it bad? All punk sounds the same. I can understand you saying that they have whiny voices, and then if they all sound the same they would all have those annoying voices. Is that the entire beef?

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Circle_One

It makes it bad to me. I'm not saying everyone else should hate it nor do I flame people for listening to it, to each his own, but I simply don't like it for those reasons.

Haha, seriously though, punk probably does sound all the same to you, if you're not a fan of it, but to me, I can tell the difference, just like I'm sure all those emo kids can tell the difference between one emo band and another. The fact that I think all emo sounds the same is just my uninformed, biased opinion

That's pretty much my entire beef with it. I don't bash emo at all, nor do I bash those who listen to it. I simply don't like it, but it's fine for others to listen to it. Infact my roommate LOVES emo (which means I'm forced to listen to it all the time). I don't even hate ALL emo, I can actually stand to listen to Fall Out Boy, when Tara listens to them. I won't listen to them voluntarily or by myself, or ever buy their album, but they don't make me want to stab my eardrums when she's listening to them.

Emo is just not my taste in music, that's pretty much it.

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mammoth1

loving "emo"=fad. hating "emo"=fad. Liking music for music, as what it is, taking it on it's own terms, regardless of popularity or whatever=intellegence. Disliking music because it doesn't do it for you but understanding that doesn't make it inherantly evil=wisdom (MUCH more difficult for all, including I)

Here's a little story... there's a bar near my house called the wonderland. its a neighborhood bar that caught on city wide for a while, and a few months ago it would be filled to the brink, wall to wall, with people looking to see and be seen. "Hipsters," if you will. People who lived around it universally got annoyed with this and stopped going. I did too, until a while ago when I went in there on a weekend and it was a reasonable place again... not packed with people doing this , just full enough, good music, good beer, relaxed. And then I noticed a curious thing: whenever, after that point, I'd mention to someone that I lived around there (usually people wearing "the right" clothes) they'd sneer and say: "Oh, that place is such a hipster hangout."

Which is fine by me. Basically, it was cool to "hipsters" when it was a neighborhood bar, and then uncool to hipsters when it was a "hipster" bar. Now that it's percieved as being a "hipster" bar, the hipsters won't touch it, so once again it is a neighborhood bar. Confusing? Yes.

...In conclusion, a bar is a bar, and music is music.

Aqualung

That's what I think, too.

C1, thanks for clearifying your position.

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Ourobouros

all their voices sound the SAME, that small boy american voice. its irritating.

i like muse, i like placebo, i like radiohead, and all their vocalists are slated for being 'irritating', but in my opinion they actaully can sing, and in my opinion their music was made for their voice and so its just right.

But emo ... they cut themselves, they whine about nothing in particular, i mean fancying a girl's mother, wtf. ... i alo think they are taking advantage of teenagers ...

and fall out boy and panic at the fucking disco are constantly in the NME, using up valuable space for other, better, more talented, realistic bands.

i pay £1.95 and i am sat with a band i dislike! and the arctic fucking monkeys - are ok. at best. they are so overrated, i mean they're working class, so what? i am, why am i not on every radio station every fucking minute? Why am i not in al the music magazine, why aren't Q stuck up my arsehole?

etcetrah.

Aqualung

So for you it's a sense of jealousy. Somebody who you say has the same talent as you is popular whereas you aren't. And therefore they deserve your hatered. Is that correct?

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Brother muFFdy

I dislike all the messages they send out too, all their music is depressing. I remember one song went along like how he loved to cut himself to release the pressure. What kind of message is that to send to people? That cutting is good if you're depressed. It's all bullshit. They whinge and moan and draw all the attention to themselves without thinking that others are in the EXACT SAME POSITION, but hey... they have to tell the world about it.

I hate them being played over and over on the radio when good bands, e.g. Wolfmother, Radiohead (havent ever heard one on the radio by them) and older better MORE TALENTED bands.

They are bands that were created to feed the style and fad, they dont play music they love... they are in it for the money.

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I am why

I really hate bring back old threads but I felt there was much I had to say. Many, as in all the posters ITT had the same opinion except for the OP. Saying that the emo kids cut themselves, the singers are winy and whatnot. But my question is who told you that? I saw the bands fall out boy and Panic! at the Disco here. Neither of those bands are emo but instead pop and pop-punk. It is a fad to hate emo, I get that, but is it also a fad to be completely ignorant to it? Go listen to some bands like
Older bands
Texas is the Reason
Indian Summer
Stop It!!
Antioch Arrow
Newer bands
Armor for Sleep
The Early November

and tell me that is whining. Some of the songs are about girls, yes, but name a band that doesn't sing about that. In no way is any of that depressing. I've never seen a kid who listens to emo cut himself. The kids that give it all a bad name, the bands that cause it, are no more than what the industry, like MTV, tells them. And you too fall for it. TBS, isn't emo. No, they're not but because of peoples ignorance to see other sides they go with the traditional "emo kids cut and listen to FOB" where as both those statements are false.

ChrisP

Thankyou. Yes we realise there is some good music. When people such as Blayzeh (C1) and myself refer to Emo in a way that is akin to an earbashing with a pair of cast iron pans, what we're really riling against ARE the kids who talk with a lisp, cut themselves and generally whine about how crap their life is. These kids I refer to as Emo regardless of what music they listen to... because they do nothing about their situation except whine, moan and ask why me... these people are a plague on society.

You can blame AFI.

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Circle_One

The generic, I-can't-be-myself-so-I'll-be-everyone-else, trendy Emo, Scene kids. The ones that listen to the generic bullshit just because everyone else does and because they think listening to it and dressing that way will make them "different" when in actuality they are making themselves "different" by making themselves just like every other Scene kid that's trying to be "different".

(For the record, it's not just Emo Scene kids like this that bug me, those fucking fashion punk scene kids drive me up the fucking wall too).

The point is:

BE

YOUR

SELF.

I'm tired of kids and bands that follow the crowd just to be cool (for the kids) or just to make money (for the bands).

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ChrisP

:agree: :agree:

Put basically... we're anti-trends... Be Yourself... you aren't anyone else after all

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But that is my point. There are scene kids and scene bands. Then there is emo bands. Somehow people get the two confused and it makes emo look bad.

Circle_One

If you noticed though, doll, I said

There absolutely ARE Emo Scene kids and bands and normal Emo kids and bands. However, guarenteed, whether you want to deny it or not, the majority or Emo kids and Emo bands are 100% fucking scene.

In the same way, there are Punk Scene kids and bands and normal Punk kids and bands, and today, the majority of THOSE kids are total scene too.

BUT we were talking about Emo in this thread, not punk or any other scene.

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Aqualung

Don't worry about bringing back old threads. We don't mind it as long as what you're saying is relevant (ie, no spamming, but that applies to all threads ). I'm glad you DID post this, because it brought up some really great discussion.

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ChrisP

Yeah... it's a marketing tool for people who like to be told how to be. ChrisP hate Ad's *hefts club*

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Brother muFFdy

I cant wait until it becomes legal to hunt and kill Emos, I have the weapons set aside already and know exactly where to hit and when. Oh boy, it will really give them something to sing about besides being sent to their room...

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jsx

I don't have a beef. That would have something to with red meat.
Ths is about music.
Let's have a Burger and talk about this.

The first reason people are uncomfortable with the E word is the music and clothes becomming a fashion statement in the mainstream all with the same name. Are we talking trend, fashion, or the music-and I mean honestly.
Let's face it, the name of a trend in the music scene is often converted into a way of dressing up.
A lot of these bands and their followers are all dressed up like something(?) Some people really don't see this sound or look to be all that emotionally driven at all.
The current bands vs. the underground punk bands labled this way that came before them create the debate. The change between the underground bands called Emo and the POP ROCK FM RADIO artists which are really just pop bands accepting this label. So many bands seem too far from the roots, while aiming at the newbies. The old timers who got this lable pinned to their sound way before FM Radio played Poppy-Nonpunk. Many didn't like the term when it started for some reason.
I'm not saying right from left, or right from wrong. But, I was there back before the term was anything close to the now-using the term.
There was a time bands hated to be called that.
Any music+fashion statement linked to the mainstream that was at one time neither one, will cause this'"Beef" as you put it.
Like it or not, this causes much of the dispute.
It is typical, but look at how many times people renamed the sound and look of what Heavy Metal was.
Try to remember how many times these stereotypes change into something completely different than the term and where it came from.
Once again I don't have a problem, but there is history behind the question here.
jsx

Inferno_Paintball

I can't exactly say I hate the music, because I've only listened to probably a few seconds of what you would call "shitty emo", but I hate the people that dress emo and act all depressed when there is really nothing wrong with their life. It pisses me off.

jsx

My wording here on this page may be considered heavy handed, but I seriously do love all people for who they are (except for those who are dangerous knowingly)

this post may be touchy, but...

(may be some spelling errors, to)

So,
All musicians have emotional issues. It's part of being an artist.
Hey, if there is any reason for the woe is me,oops,I mean woe is e-mo, please tell me what that is. I may stand corrected. But, why so defensive?
There are more of you than there are of us messin' around. E-rock is everywhere. This forum fooling around is not. Why cry about it?
It's not their songs, or any of the stereotypes. In fact, they play instruments just fine. It's the psycological reaction displayed at any goofing around. I just laugh if a joke is funny. Not because I'm some kind of 'Hater'.
There are a billion jokes about musical stereotypes. The spandex mascara bands from the 1980's get ripped on all the time, and usually don't respond to kidding around about them nearly as "emotionally" as the E - kids do.

I'm seeing more and more of their reactions to jokes becoming something for them to cry about, which amplifies exactly what the jokes are about.
They have accepted the stereotypical label (the E word) as their label, but get all upset when a joke pops up. It's almost as if they have to fight for their rights, just so they can go ahead and retaliate as if they are fighting for freedom. They are free as birds.
It's not as if they really have anything to get all upset about, since their faces, music, and stigma is all over the place, selling ton's of albums. This part of the music industry is plastered everywhere on radio and TV. Copycat clothing sores in the malls as well. Whatever their trip is, they have no reason to lash back at a few jokes. The popularity these bands have has become a huge fad with lots of support from the music industry. They have their own thing going, and it is absolutely, positively nothing to cry about.
Make a Death Metal joke, I doubt it would be a big deal.
So all you guys out there feeling the need to be offended, the laugh is on me. I don't have a click to fit into or dress up like, nor do I have any reason to feel emotionally offended about who I am. Most of all, I don't have the success the scene you are into has. So enjoy it while you can. I know I will.
Hold your heads up, and put the razor blades down. Stop the nonsense.
We crack on each other on this forum constantly. It's part of the fun!
Get some help-serious help-if your mental problems are something you feel you should get all dressed up to represent. There is help out there for emotional and personality disorders. Or, wear whatever you to wear. It's fine.
As for the music you're into, I don't see it needing any help at all. It's doing just fine, it needs no defense. It's got plenty of exposure and a ton of fans.
As for my opinion in this post-
Ban me from this topic If I deserve it.
jsx

ChrisP

It's self-perpetuating dude... like Elmyra (see tiny toons), only moodier.

"Whyyyyyyyyy do you hate uuuuuuuuus..."

"Please quit that... it's annoying"

"Buuuuut Whhyyyyyy"

"Dude just stfu..."

"OMG why do you haaaaaaaaaate me..."

"..."

*Chris takes small axe and removes his ears.* They're starting to turn up everywhere here now... once they were few and far between, now they are many. It's a fad. It'll pass.

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PRAISE THE LORD, I AM CURED!!!

jsx

Let us give thanx and praise:

Has the lord cured you 'cuz you found the lord, Or has the lord cured you with the sounds of emo bands?
All the power of lord comes from your god.
I've been saved before, thank god.
Just never by a trend.
or by a post on this topic!
However , this announcement sponsored by SWIM informs us of some OEM EMO parts sources - TV, Stickers, Logo' on clothing, hats, oh and especially at local huge corporate CD stores.
Thank you oh lord.
EMON,
uh? AMEN, I mean't.
drip.

trav06

I agree, I myself am emo but I did not want to be like the other emos (which makes up about half of my school) so instead of dying my hair black I dyed it white and alot of other things that I do not have the patience to list. Basically I say if you are going to be emo be your own type, like what I mean is do not be like all other emos.